tyrel86 · June 17, 2012 05:44
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 <tyrel86> Hello any one feel like filling me on some questions regarding launching a production rails app
 <tyrel86> I am using apache with mod rails I was wondering what good settings are for a 256mb linode as far as server instances and rails instances or better yet if there is any articles any one would recomend to get the most out of my server
 <tyrel86> without over working it
 <heckman> You mean 512mb Linode?
 <rnowak> 256mb linode? 256 millibit?
 <tyrel86> yes sorry
 <tyrel86> 512
 <Kyhwana> mostly disabling keep alives and setting your maxclients to ~10-20 or so, Ithink
 <heckman> Two big things you can do is turn off KeepAlives in Apache2, as well as drop the number of threads/workers and MaxClients
 <rnowak> heckman: where do I sign up for one of these 512 millibit linodes?
 <heckman> ninja'd by less than a second. :(
 <heckman> mB
 <rnowak> ok, where do I sign up for one of these 512 millibyte linodes?
 <tyrel86> did linode switch 256 to 512 for the min recently it feels like I signed up for 256
 <Kyhwana> 256 was ages ago wasnt it?
 <tyrel86> Honestly I have no idea but I looked at my dashboard and mine is 512 I just remember siging up for 256 maybe that was slice host
 <tyrel86> so disable keeps alive does that mean apache has to reboot rails every time a new request comes in?
 <bdube> it does not mean that
 <SleePy> I've had my node for 2 years, and its been 512 the whole time.
 <heckman> No.  A KeepAlive means Apache2 sits waiting for that client to make another request.
 <SleePy> So not recently :)
 <heckman> Apache2 cannot handle a new connection until that other one closes. If you disable KeepAlives, Apache2 can just move on to the next request.
 <rnowak> tyrel86: are you sure you're ready for production? (:
 <tyrel86> no I am preparing myself for it ahead of time
 <rnowak> that's good!
 <XReaper> giveaway = yawn
 <XReaper> :P
 <XReaper> hell, it's something
 <XReaper> but: may have to script hide that timer banner
 <XReaper> :D
 <EugeneKay> Just use a style
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 <XReaper> mmm
 <tyrel86> So rnowak do you have any recontaminations for a competent ruby and rails programmer and database expert who is almost completely ignorant in server configuration before going production?
 <rnowak> tyrel86: sorry, couldn't finish reading that when I got to "database expert who is almost completely ignorant in server configuration"
 <tyrel86> lol I mean like Apache I am ignorent in Apache
 <mikegrb> lulz
 <rnowak> good luck? yeah, that. Good luck.
 <tyrel86> you too hugh?
 <SleePy> ignorent in ignorance?
 <rnowak> SleePy: don't be so ignorent man
 <tyrel86> wow technical to philosophic in no time I like you guys :) so thanks for the reconsiderations everyone.
 <SleePy> tyrel86: Unless I read it wrong though, I see it as your asking for an Apache expert to be ignorant in setting up Apache.
 <tyrel86> Looking back on it now I think you might be right SleePy
 <rnowak> tyrel86: it is not you specifically, I just laugh at all "database experts" (which can be seen from a mile away that they really aren't)
 <rnowak> but, have a cookie for trying to fix your issues before going production!
 <tyrel86> well thanks for the cookie. And by expert I mean that I draw up and put alot of thought into it before I code. Granted I am probably conversing with people well beyond my skill level but I aspire to reach your ranks
 <rnowak> knowing how to throw up a schema with some thought process rather than vomiting it out like most do, does not an expert make -- but it does make one better than most horrible "experts" out there
 * SleePy is better than most horrible "experts"
 <tyrel86> certainly better than word presses lets put everything into a post table and have a column called post type
 <tyrel86> *wordpress
 <XReaper> lol
 <mikegrb> lulz
 <SleePy> Drupal also does that
 <XReaper> mediawiki puts everything in a 'text' table
 <XReaper> i have a 6GB text table
 <XReaper> :D
 <XReaper> full of spam
 <rnowak> XReaper: could you design something better?
 <EugeneKay> Sounds very web scale
 <rnowak> no? shut up.
 <XReaper> It makes sense to put posts in a post table :/
 <SleePy> Well for MW, its designed everything to be a wiki page, so its understandable somewhat
 <rnowak> they've got a lot of problems, the design choice for everything to be a wiki page is the least of them
 <SleePy> But some things such as a CMS that has a message board/forum extension uses the same tables as the CMS instead of designing their own is what gets me
 <rnowak> SleePy: "let's keep it simple" *cue horror music*
 <XReaper> Hopefully there is an easy way to drop all user pages...but tbqh i'd rather just have it set up flat
 <SleePy> And then putting all categories/tags/etc into the same table.. UGH!
 <XReaper> that could get messy
 <tyrel86> sleepy thats what got me too. all of the plugins I installed that should have had a new table just put their objects in the post table with a different post type
 <rnowak> please stop, I've not had enough coffee this morning to be reading this
 <tyrel86> lol so any way before I through out the phrase database expert when I should have non database moron. What I am really asking is I am getting to a point of finishing my first releasable rails app and wanted to make sure I had apache configured corectly so I don't end up upping my 
 <mikegrb> lulz
 <SleePy> Some people have a bright idea of using text or varchar for everything.  Rather than storing them as ints, which are much faster for comparisons
 <rnowak> this is on the scale of requring at least 6 espressos before being bearable
 <SleePy> rnowak: its only 1 hour and 15 minutes until midnight for me :P  So a long way from coffee
 <tyrel86> same here bed time before coffee
 <rnowak> tyrel86: it is a bit difficult to make that open suggestions -- if you had more specific questions, I am sure there's a number of us here that could throw you some information
 <tyrel86> al-right I will come back with better questions later. Thank you for humouring me and nice meeting you all.
 <heckman> Catch you around!
 <rnowak> (I for one would not host it in apache, but... (: )
 <SleePy> I didn't think I was funny
 <rnowak> SleePy: you're always hilarious
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	<tyrel86> Hello any one feel like filling me on some questions regarding launching a production rails app
	<tyrel86> I am using apache with mod rails I was wondering what good settings are for a 256mb linode as far as server instances and rails instances or better yet if there is any articles any one would recomend to get the most out of my server
	<tyrel86> without over working it
	<heckman> You mean 512mb Linode?
	<rnowak> 256mb linode? 256 millibit?
	<tyrel86> yes sorry
	<tyrel86> 512
	<Kyhwana> mostly disabling keep alives and setting your maxclients to ~10-20 or so, Ithink
	<heckman> Two big things you can do is turn off KeepAlives in Apache2, as well as drop the number of threads/workers and MaxClients
	<rnowak> heckman: where do I sign up for one of these 512 millibit linodes?
	<heckman> ninja'd by less than a second. :(
	<heckman> mB
	<rnowak> ok, where do I sign up for one of these 512 millibyte linodes?
	<tyrel86> did linode switch 256 to 512 for the min recently it feels like I signed up for 256
	<Kyhwana> 256 was ages ago wasnt it?
	<tyrel86> Honestly I have no idea but I looked at my dashboard and mine is 512 I just remember siging up for 256 maybe that was slice host
	<tyrel86> so disable keeps alive does that mean apache has to reboot rails every time a new request comes in?
	<bdube> it does not mean that
	<SleePy> I've had my node for 2 years, and its been 512 the whole time.
	<heckman> No. A KeepAlive means Apache2 sits waiting for that client to make another request.
	<SleePy> So not recently :)
	<heckman> Apache2 cannot handle a new connection until that other one closes. If you disable KeepAlives, Apache2 can just move on to the next request.
	<rnowak> tyrel86: are you sure you're ready for production? (:
	<tyrel86> no I am preparing myself for it ahead of time
	<rnowak> that's good!
	<XReaper> giveaway = yawn
	<XReaper> :P
	<XReaper> hell, it's something
	<XReaper> but: may have to script hide that timer banner
	<XReaper> :D
	<EugeneKay> Just use a style
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	<XReaper> mmm
	<tyrel86> So rnowak do you have any recontaminations for a competent ruby and rails programmer and database expert who is almost completely ignorant in server configuration before going production?
	<rnowak> tyrel86: sorry, couldn't finish reading that when I got to "database expert who is almost completely ignorant in server configuration"
	<tyrel86> lol I mean like Apache I am ignorent in Apache
	<mikegrb> lulz
	<rnowak> good luck? yeah, that. Good luck.
	<tyrel86> you too hugh?
	<SleePy> ignorent in ignorance?
	<rnowak> SleePy: don't be so ignorent man
	<tyrel86> wow technical to philosophic in no time I like you guys :) so thanks for the reconsiderations everyone.
	<SleePy> tyrel86: Unless I read it wrong though, I see it as your asking for an Apache expert to be ignorant in setting up Apache.
	<tyrel86> Looking back on it now I think you might be right SleePy
	<rnowak> tyrel86: it is not you specifically, I just laugh at all "database experts" (which can be seen from a mile away that they really aren't)
	<rnowak> but, have a cookie for trying to fix your issues before going production!
	<tyrel86> well thanks for the cookie. And by expert I mean that I draw up and put alot of thought into it before I code. Granted I am probably conversing with people well beyond my skill level but I aspire to reach your ranks
	<rnowak> knowing how to throw up a schema with some thought process rather than vomiting it out like most do, does not an expert make -- but it does make one better than most horrible "experts" out there
	* SleePy is better than most horrible "experts"
	<tyrel86> certainly better than word presses lets put everything into a post table and have a column called post type
	<tyrel86> *wordpress
	<XReaper> lol
	<mikegrb> lulz
	<SleePy> Drupal also does that
	<XReaper> mediawiki puts everything in a 'text' table
	<XReaper> i have a 6GB text table
	<XReaper> :D
	<XReaper> full of spam
	<rnowak> XReaper: could you design something better?
	<EugeneKay> Sounds very web scale
	<rnowak> no? shut up.
	<XReaper> It makes sense to put posts in a post table :/
	<SleePy> Well for MW, its designed everything to be a wiki page, so its understandable somewhat
	<rnowak> they've got a lot of problems, the design choice for everything to be a wiki page is the least of them
	<SleePy> But some things such as a CMS that has a message board/forum extension uses the same tables as the CMS instead of designing their own is what gets me
	<rnowak> SleePy: "let's keep it simple" cue horror music
	<XReaper> Hopefully there is an easy way to drop all user pages...but tbqh i'd rather just have it set up flat
	<SleePy> And then putting all categories/tags/etc into the same table.. UGH!
	<XReaper> that could get messy
	<tyrel86> sleepy thats what got me too. all of the plugins I installed that should have had a new table just put their objects in the post table with a different post type
	<rnowak> please stop, I've not had enough coffee this morning to be reading this
	<tyrel86> lol so any way before I through out the phrase database expert when I should have non database moron. What I am really asking is I am getting to a point of finishing my first releasable rails app and wanted to make sure I had apache configured corectly so I don't end up upping my
	<mikegrb> lulz
	<SleePy> Some people have a bright idea of using text or varchar for everything. Rather than storing them as ints, which are much faster for comparisons
	<rnowak> this is on the scale of requring at least 6 espressos before being bearable
	<SleePy> rnowak: its only 1 hour and 15 minutes until midnight for me :P So a long way from coffee
	<tyrel86> same here bed time before coffee
	<rnowak> tyrel86: it is a bit difficult to make that open suggestions -- if you had more specific questions, I am sure there's a number of us here that could throw you some information
	<tyrel86> al-right I will come back with better questions later. Thank you for humouring me and nice meeting you all.
	<heckman> Catch you around!
	<rnowak> (I for one would not host it in apache, but... (: )
	<SleePy> I didn't think I was funny
	<rnowak> SleePy: you're always hilarious