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How AI is eating Finance — with Mike Conover of Brightwave - latent space podcast

How AI is eating Finance — with Mike Conover of Brightwave

How we can use AI for as a "partner in thought", losing faith in long context windows for improved reasoning, and why we should stop anthropomorphizing LLMs

Jun 11, 2024

https://www.latent.space/p/brightwave


Key Points from Mike Conover Interview on BrightWave and AI in Finance

About BrightWave

  • BrightWave is a startup founded by Mike Conover, focusing on AI-driven financial analysis
  • Raised $6 million seed round led by Decibel, with participation from Point72 and Moonfire Ventures
  • Aims to expand individuals' ability to reason about the structure of the economy and markets using AI

Product and Technology

  • Acts as a "partner in thought" for finance professionals
  • Uses multiple AI subsystems for specific tasks rather than a single large model
  • Employs RAG (Retrieval Augmented Generation) with context-aware prompting
  • Focuses on extracting structured information into knowledge graphs
  • Prioritizes grounded reasoning and factuality in outputs

Key Features

  • Can analyze complex financial scenarios and provide insights
  • Handles temporality of data, crucial for financial analysis
  • Balances private and public data sources in analysis
  • Provides highly facetable, pivotable product interface

Team and Hiring

  • Co-founded with Brandon Katara, who has experience in finance and deep learning
  • Hiring across AI, engineering, machine learning, and design roles

Views on AI and Finance

  • Believes AI hedge funds may already exist in some form
  • Sees potential for AI in idea generation and thematic investing
  • Emphasizes human role in final decision-making and strategy alignment

Open Source LLMs

  • Notes convergence in model behavior and diminishing returns on pretraining
  • Predicts future innovation in instruction tuning and fine-tuning data creation
  • Emphasizes importance of private evaluation datasets

Industry Trends

  • Observes decreasing incentives for companies to train their own foundation models
  • Predicts focus shifting to differentiating models through specific behavioral fine-tuning

Key Points from Mike Conover Interview on BrightWave and AI in Finance

About BrightWave

  • 00:42 BrightWave is a startup founded by Mike Conover, focusing on AI-driven financial analysis
  • 04:51 Raised $6 million seed round led by Decibel, with participation from Point72 and Moonfire Ventures
  • 05:38 Aims to expand individuals' ability to reason about the structure of the economy and markets using AI

Product and Technology

  • 09:36 Acts as a "partner in thought" for finance professionals
  • 31:56 Uses multiple AI subsystems for specific tasks rather than a single large model
  • 35:49 Employs RAG (Retrieval Augmented Generation) with context-aware prompting
  • 38:13 Focuses on extracting structured information into knowledge graphs
  • 20:04 Prioritizes grounded reasoning and factuality in outputs

Key Features

  • 09:36 Can analyze complex financial scenarios and provide insights
  • 31:27 Handles temporality of data, crucial for financial analysis
  • 34:00 Balances private and public data sources in analysis
  • 40:00 Provides highly facetable, pivotable product interface

Team and Hiring

  • 06:07 Co-founded with Brandon Katara, who has experience in finance and deep learning
  • 1:03:55 Hiring across AI, engineering, machine learning, and design roles

Views on AI and Finance

  • 50:42 Believes AI hedge funds may already exist in some form
  • 55:51 Sees potential for AI in idea generation and thematic investing
  • 56:02 Emphasizes human role in final decision-making and strategy alignment

Open Source LLMs

  • 57:44 Notes convergence in model behavior and diminishing returns on pretraining
  • 59:20 Predicts future innovation in instruction tuning and fine-tuning data creation
  • 57:44 Emphasizes importance of private evaluation datasets

Industry Trends

  • 58:43 Observes decreasing incentives for companies to train their own foundation models
  • 1:02:43 Predicts focus shifting to differentiating models through specific behavioral fine-tuning
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